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Wow! That second paragraph might be the best rant EVER! I could actually feel your spittle as I read it.

BRAVO

Pure torture corn? My non-existant God! That has to be a thousands times worse than waterboarding!

I will not be seeing this movie, ever. But the fact that James Marsden is in it, almost tempts me. I like that guy.

I have a new found love for James Marsden. I am indifferent to Heigl. She's vanilla ice cream to me. He, however, is a banana split with extra hot fudge. YUM!

Sadly, I will most likely see the movie to cheer up sad friend who loves romantic comedies and thinks that the last movie she saw was the best movie of the year.

There is so fricken much from this review that I want to quote, but I can't decide which is better - "...you're about a sexy as a late-night doorstep fire left by empty-bowelled vandals..." or "...Heigl's nicotine-stained teeth, which gleam like fucking Chernobyl."

Let me be the 1,000th Pajiban to thank you for taking one for the team. You are either a glutton for punishment or seriously aching for our pity.

Also, did you see this movie today? And, if so, what the hell time did you go? 6 AM?

This review deserves a single slow clap culminating in a full on standing ovation.

Now this is why I love the site. Only Pajiba unleashes a level of vitriol usually reserved for films like "Captivity" into a review for a bland rom-com. Well fucking done.

"pure wedding torture corn"?

Oh, for fuck's sake. Step away from the fumes, Dustin. It's Katherine Heigl in a romcom, not Franz Kafka in a wifebeater. We've seen this POS story a hundred bajillion times, yet the level of vitriol in this particular review seems amped up for some reason. Is it merely because a pretty girl has opinions? Don't worry, I'll never see the movie, but I guess I just don't understand the whole "Skank Cancer" gestalt or all the Heigl hate. What exactly has she done to earn the hate? She (kind of) broke bad on a (really good) movie she was in while doing a (typically puffy) interview in Vanity Fair, which is not quite as bad, to me anyway, as puking out of the door of your Escalade on Hollywood Boulevard OR endorsing anti-Semitic rhetoric in the Wall Street Journal. I see her as about as offensive as macaroni and cheese, and better to look at than most people who do what she does.

Toture Corn. Pure D brilliant.

Where to start, where to start? What does it say about me that I was calmer and less motivated toward anger when I commented on the torture documentary than I am on this one? With the exception of The Philadelphia Story, wedding films leave me cold and yet I know for the next month everywhere I go, women will be asking me if I have seen this and telling me how great it is and hugging their children protectively to their breasts when I tell them I'd rather watch a C-Span congressional debate on offal tariffs. I'm sure this will be hugely popular, especially with the most evil day of the year (Valentine's Fucking Day) looming. Legally women used to be considered the same as children (i.e., unable to think for themselves) and honestly, when I see this drivel I wonder if that wasn't the right way to go.
And yes, that second paragraph was amazing.

"Massengill Mouth"....god damn that made me laugh out loud!

Man, that second paragraph...beautiful.

As for Skank Cancer, remember: it's ok to be the chick flick stereotype when you're the lead in a movie with other beautiful people and it's going to "push your career" and not when you're fifth-banana to a group of ugly losers you'd never have given two shits about except for the fact that they're the new comedy kings of Hollywood.

It's all in the details.

This argument has gone on way too long on this site, but it's still fun to do the old back and forth about, so here it goes (crack knuckles):

Heigl is indeed clearly smarter than Britney, Lohan, the usual suspects. This is why her actions/decisions have gotten many a Pajiban's panties in a bundle. She seems like in an alternate reality could have been one of us, as she has acknowledged in some arguable way or another, that Hollywood filmmaking is inherently sexist, which it is. She is intelligent, just flawed in her presentation of herself as a part of that system she has critiqued.

Whether or not Knocked Up's female lead character itself is actually sexist is irrelevant - she knows and (albeit poorly) attempted to point out, in her opinion, the blatant one-sidedness of not only Knocked Up (would it be the same movie had it been written by a woman with all her friends?) but movies in general in Hollywood.

This is what infuriates us (myself and others who call her Skank Cancer). She obviously has the know how and standards, but she continues to break these standards and to be a hypocrite and be in this crap probably because like everyone else in Hollywood, regardles of whether or not they're smarter than your average socialite, they likey the dollars.

That is almost (nay, definitely) worse than merely puking out the door of your Escalade while taking in the dollars. Heigl, you showed us you can do the thinking thing, now do the doing thing. You insufferable craptard.

OK, reality check. So in this movie, the wedding journalist is a good looking, heterosexual guy who loves writing about weddings? Yeah, right. All of a sudden, Clive Owen fucking a lactating hooker while shooting invading ninjas is starting to look plausible.

Who cares ? She looks pretty hot in that picture. Would.....

Dustin, sometimes the amount, and like, acidity of your vitriol kind of scares me. Take a couple deep breaths every now and then. And does everything have to be such extremes? Either the finest thing to grace the theaters in ages or steaming piles of whatever-loose-gross-out-analogy-you-can-come-up-with? Either hipster elitist or buck-toothed hillbilly? I think Claude made a thoughtful, reasonable argument with some perspective, and an appreciation for a middle ground. And while I realize you left some room in that intro paragraph for a "yeah, but I didn't say there wasn't middle ground", you sure didn't go out of your way to present it either.

And also, while I'm here, what is your DEAL with Katherine Heigl? A lot of actors are lending their celebrity to the writer's strike cause, and maybe the reason she's in so many pictures on picket lines is because the people taking the pictures know that they'll get more attention with photos of a recognizable face. SHE didn't write her character on Grey's Anatomy, and I don't see you crapping all over the names of every other actor in Hollywood that takes roles inconsistent with ideals they come out with in public.

damn. she makes me like Mandy Moore.

ok, ok, I actually DO like Mandy Moore! Don't take my Pajiba membership card!! She is just likable! I want to go shopping and lunching with her, and then hit the beach for some surf. God, my inner angst-y teenager hates me right now.

I have nothing to say about this movie, apparently. Just wanted to out myself, I guess...

The objection I have here is not to the rather irrational hatred of the bland Heigl, but rather to the justification of that hatred by pointing to her cheesecake photos and saying that any girl who's done that sort of work can't claim anything as sexist. The comments on Knocked Up on this very site suggest that the movie can be seen both ways. Heigl's not claiming to be the leader of the next feminist wave, as far as I can see. She just pointed out some stuff in a movie she wasn't entirely comfortable with, and the response has been to shame her with photos in which she displays her body. All pin-ups are sluts, and sluts can't have valid thoughts on whether sexism exists, apparently being the rational.

So, irrational hatred of celebs--good.
Using reference to suggestive pictures in order to shame a woman into silencing her opinions--bad.

Damn, this was satisfying to read. Love the little dig on Ed Burns. I fucking hate that dude and thought for a few brief, horrifying seconds that he was the "The Wire" Edward Burns. Huge sigh of relief that he really is as idiotic as I think he is. I blame him for reinforcing every negative Irish stereotype in his ridiculous movies. Please stick a shillelagh up your ass, my friend.

Tommytimp, the issue is that Heigl is the worst kind of hypocrite. We're forced to endure her shitty, condescending movies and also her sanctimonious foolishness. It's grating. The only reason I have an ounce of forbearance for her is that she lost her brother when she was a kid.

nice one brtrisk. I have to complete agree with you.

ah, that would be completely...

screw you Mandy Moore! you've turned my brains ot nhosdhfjandf.......

Oi. I saw this debate coming from a mile away. Fuck, I could have written most of these comments without even reading them first.

And brtrisk, I must admit, I think you're reading waaaay too much into that one small phrase. The point was never about her posing in that magazine, that was a throwaway line. The point is what she SAYS.

And boo, there ain't nothing wrong with liking Mandy Moore. I actually like her as an actress too.

And Sam T - I believe "The Wire" Ed Burns is an ex-Baltimore cop... he might be a bit out of place. This Ed Burns is the once-promising guy who has been swallowed by Hollywood and spit back out as yet another bland, lame, stubble-chinned spare part.

I secretly LOVE Mandy Moo. I want her to tell me how to make my hair shiny while we talk about Joni Mitchell and Cat Stevens. Yeah I'm a hippy, what of it?

Mandy Moo, coveredinbees? Ha ha ha, is that your little nickname for her?? :)

Sorry. As mentioned earlier, brains are mush.

That is TOTALLY my little nickname for her.

It's the friggin' PR machine people - You wanna get your friggin' mug on the cover of some magazines and get talked about in blogs? Make a dumb-ass statement (at least in my opinion) about a movie that you were in and practically everybody liked, then strip down to your skivvies and appease all the people who need a few more files in thier masturbatory database. Then, logically, follow it up with a blatant chick-flick, a few more interviews about some "serious issues" then top the whole friggin' thing off with a crotch-shot at Cannes and hook up with Ellen DeGeneres when the career goes a little stale (Anne Heche, I'm talking to you).

Bottom line though, I'd do 'er. Sorry...

Everyone who is, or has appreciated, a mouthy broad on this site, raise their hands.

OK, then, I think we can agree that the problem is not Ms. Heigl HAVING an opinion, it's that she is so bloody sanctimonious about it, but doesn't back it up with her film choices - and that the film she bitched about originally isn't HALF as damaging to the ideals of feminist thought as the bland drivel that is 27 Dresses. "I have no self-worth! I need to be married to have any self-esteem! I am wearing a mousy shade of brunette/dirty blonde, therefore no man will ever love me!" For Chrissakes.

To sum up:
Opinions = good.
Mouthy women = good.
Sanctimonious, but backed up by action = tolerable.
Sanctimonious hypocrisy = SKANK CANCER

Jesus Christ. I can't believe my first comment on a site I generally enjoy is going to be so negative, but I seriously can't believe you chose to review this movie. Granted, this is Pajiba, and a formulaic chick flick that sells on the charisma of its leads is not going to go over well here. I expect that, and though I enjoyed the movie, I fully anticipated plenty of snark.

However, I would have prefered my snark without a side of ridiculous Heigl-hate. Honestly, I find the woman a little grating myself, but the level of vitriol she receives smacks of misogyny. If it's not someone critiquing her fat ass on some less pedigreed site, it's someone else ripping her to shreds for being ambitious (god forbid) or having an opinion. Any opinion at all. It's one thing to dislike her, another entirely to cram her into a female stereotype and hurl slurs at her. I'm pretty disgusted, and I hate this some petty vendetta is having such an effect on a site I used to respect.

Why would there be shame in liking Mandy Moore? She was awesome in Saved! and unlike her late 90s poptart blonde counterparts, she's actually turned out relatively sane and well-adjusted. I don't think much of her music career, but as an actress she's quite likeable. Plus, she's very cute and seems kind of humble and down-to-earth in interviews (for whatever that's worth).
I'm also glad to see I'm not the only one with a soft spot for James Marsden. I know he can find better work than this. And as for Heigl taking issue with Knocked Up being "sexist", I'm sorry, but is a role like this really less stereotypical in her mind? Okay.

Feminists come in a lot of flavors. Heigel might be a feminist who thinks that showing her skin is empowering, and perhaps that having women characters that are humorless adults in a movie where the men are charming infants, and that movie sides with the infants, hides misogyny. Like, the writer/director hates women and that's the subtext of the comedy. That was my strong impression of that statement, but I'm admittedly biased, as I'm kinda that kind of feminist myself. I haven't seen the movie or her tv shows, pretty much all I know of her is that quote.

I'm not humorless, y'all, I promise.

Can we have female leads in other movies besides RomComs, please? I'll admit I love romantic comedies--sometimes legitimately, sometimes to mock--but I crave female roles that actually have more substance. Pretty much all the feminist movement has gotten us is women who can now be slutty in addition to being obsessed with getting a man. I really don't think that's a step up. So please, world, give me something to watch with a woman who isn't dumb, slutty, or vapid.
Love,
Kelsy

I don't feel strongly about Heigl either way, and the Heigl hate is a tad tiresome, but whatever. I don't watch her show, either. The ads for this movie actually make it look somewhat amusing, but not full-price ticket amusing. Maybe I'll shell out a buck when it hits the cheap theaters. Marsden is the one who kinda sells it, in the ads for it, at least.

I think the wedding/rom-com genre flicks are the female version of action movies. Incredibly dumb and unrealistic eye candy, showing the audience what they want to see, rather than the way things really are. The hero faces some contrived struggle, overcomes it, happy ending, done.

Hey, they can't all be "No Country for Old Men."

I do applaud this line: "... it's a lot easier to bathe in stupidity and call someone a close-minded, elitist assbag than it is 'suffer' through some high-minded pleasures, of which there is a scarcity these days thanks to the spending power of the deliberately ignorant."

I, for one, will help you wave your Heigl Hate flag, Dustin. And regardless of the messageboard backlash, I commend you for deflating the overripe, overrated, and utterly deplorable trend that is Heigl Hype. I wouldn't come here damn near every day if it weren't for your eloquently pithy bile.

It doesn't matter who stars in this movie, it looks stupid. I agree with PaddyDog--I don't want to see another movie about weddings that makes me feel like I should need a husband to be happy. I'm getting really sick of films like this and Sex and the City where women can't be happy without a man.

Also, this has been bugging me since I first saw the preview--how is it possible that anyone actually has 27 friends close enough to be in their wedding parties? If she really has 27 best friends then she probably doesn't even have time for a boyfriend anyway.

Heigldy-deigldy-doo, I have a riddle for you!

Just out of curiousity, and in all seriousness, who is Heigl's male counterpart? Is it possible? Who, has been found guilty of the same crimes? Would he be christened Douche-Cancer?

Alison- fucking well said. I don't get the Heigl hate either, and while I can understand the offense taken to her perceived hypocricy, I was so damn glad she at least RECOGNIZED Hollywood's institutionalized sexism. So she likes to have her photo taken, and can be self-aggrandizing. This just in: she's a motherfucking ACTRESS, for christsake, a profession that self-selects for attention-needy people. Since when does an actress have live in the image of Gloria Steinem to have an opinion about sexism?

And yes, I find her character on Grey's Anatomy as odious as the rest of the Pajiba legions, but a) I'm pretty sure she doesn't write the script, and b) I don't watch that piece of shit sho....

Oh. Oh God. Oh jesus in pajamas, Dustin. WE did this to you with out real-time review mongering. We put you over the Heigl edge, and now we're yelling at you. I get it. And I'm sorry.

But Heigl's still not THAT bad.

that Massengill Mouth would talk shit about her character in Knocked Up

I didn't understand what she was upset about. Was she suprised by what the movie was about? Did they give her a different script and then loop in audio of someone else reading the lines as they appear in the movie. I know the tone of a movie is affected by editing so you can film something and it comes different than you expected, but at sometime someone ssaid to her (her agent maybe) "Skankcancer - take a look at this script. It is about a Entertainment News Bunny who gets knocked up by a pothead, who falls in love with her and grows up so he can help her and her Satanspawn. You would play the female lead." I'm not blaming her for taking the part - she's an TV actress, it's an opportunity to play the lead in what turned out to be a successful comedy, Isiah Washington wasn't around (as far as I know) to call any of her Hobbit friends a mean name - but shut up already

Remember kids - doing it for the money and then complaining about it, doesn't just make you a whore, it makes you an ungrateful whore. And noone likes those

*our real-time review mongering.

Great that we can yell at each other like this, isn't it? And the reason I come back is because, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with the opinins, the writing is priiiime.

And I don't watch Grey's either, but if and when I pop my head in I find it rather cool that she and Shonda Rhimes have allowed that character to be somewhat petty and snappish and bitchy. Just like I respect Sarah Jessica Parker for letting Darren Star and the SaTC show runners make her charcter immature and selfish and somewhat dumb in a realistic way, not just a dithery blithery bundle of oh-so-lovable nerves a la Ellen Pompeo. Blah blah done.

Dustin, seriously, you have a problem. You should not have done this so close to your last one.

Screw "taking one for the team", now you are just suicidal. I refuse to encourage you anymore down this path. You are all complicit in the murder of Dustin's sanity, I hope you are happy.

Both brtrisk and Tammy made excellent points. Hell, I think Heigl is quite intelligent and sexy (I'd do her too, Skittimus), but I can see why a lot of the stuff she ways sounds hypocritical and infuriating. The Knight-Washington affair was one, and the Knocked Up/ thing was another.

I don't know about Dustin (frankly, I think he has lost it), but I feel that Heigl can pretty much do whatever she wants, whether it be rom-coms or photoshoots or protests or what have you. She should just stop trying to act like she is somehow above them. Just like Alba and her incessant "I hate being a sex symbol, but check out this movie where you might see my goods" spiel. They can't have their cake and eat it, too.

And no one should ever discourage a woman from wanting to look sexy, dammit!

2 Questions: Satan has a vagina?! And I'm not sure who the 4th Starletard of the Apocalypse is? There's PH, BS and LH...who's fourth?

Look, Skank cancer or not, I fucking hate 90% of romcoms. As an intelligent young single woman, I generally find them insulting. The whole "my life is nothing without a man" or assuming every woman dreams of ridiculous fairy tale weddings just makes me violent. Why the hell would I want to watch such a whiny, self-loathing, idiotic character?!

While I feel nothing but indifference towards Heigl, I have to say that her going off on how anti-feminist her Knocked Up character is and then turning around and doing this smacks of hypocrisy. And I really don't think Dustin hates women just because he can't stand this one. Besides I enjoy his rants. So rant on, Dustin. Tell me more about Satan's vagina. I'm intrigued.

I can't stand Mandy Moore. Yes, bitches, I went there.

::Spoiler?:::

I'm just glad my boy Marsden finally gets the girl. Why his fine ass keeps getting dissed in movies is far beyond me.

That is all.

Dustin, I knew this movie would be ridiculous, but is it really worth all this hatred in this review? Personally, I can't stand Heigl, but I don't think that her presence alone merits such fury, especially in a movie like this one.

It's a well-known fact that Heigl is despised on this site, so we really didn't need an update as to why, which took up the first part of the review. And secondly, this a bland, forgettable rom-com. I could see spewing hatred like this over Captivity or Norbit, but for something like this?

While I could care less about Heigl or her dresses, I have a question for Pajiba...CLOVERFIELD review yet? I was sadly not impressed. Expectations were too high I guess. I felt like I was watching the preview to the actual full movie, which guarantee they'll make next year. Left the door wide open.

joker/Vermillion- Heigl never did the Alba "it's so hard being this pretty, please don't see me as a sex symbol, now by my mostly-naked magazine cover please" schtick. Heigl NEVER objected to being cast as the newest hot blonde in Hollywood, and she seems fine with sexualizing her public persona. Her comment about sexist related to the "woman as nag" refrain so common in movies and television. Apples and oranges, friends. She's having her cake and eating a banana, if you will.

Dammit, I need to start proofreading my posts: "by"= "buy"

So,you hate her for breaking her word.

I don't understand why you're so damn angry about it-it's childish and totally uncalled for,not to mention just plain bloody stupid.

I don't know,i'm just at a lack of words here-but seriously,it's only a damn actress saying things and trying to do movies,man-you don't have to be such a 12-year old about it to have to start an anti-Heigl campaign.You're devoting way too much energy into this petty matter.Way too much.

Oh please. "soccer moms, academics, greasers, stoners, jocks, band geeks, hipsters, and anti-intellectualists alike can all follow the rainbow to the same meadow, hold hands, and dance around the same pot of gold, because Skank Cancer's first headliner is neither smart nor entertaining"? I guarantee someone (a depressingly high number of someones, most likely) will like this movie, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it do pretty well, because while smart and entertainig are not mutually exclusive, stupid and entertaining pretty much are, but the people who can't spot the stupid are also too stupid to spot the not-entertaining.
Also, regarding Dustin's vitriol, I have a theory: remember when we were all slamming him for liking The Great Debaters et al? This is no descent into madness we're witnessing; it's simply a return to scathing form.

lizzle,
I wondered too how she could have 27 friends to whom she is close enough to serve in their weddings. And, I gather that she still has all 27 dresses. There have to be some fugly ones in that lot. Why would she save them? I know, I'm overthinking a rom-com. Watching a rom-com demands suspension of logical thought.

I dislike Heigl because she's a priss and covets attention, but the hate and invectives she inspires on this and other sites really makes me feel uncomfortable. I agree - who are the males who are so villified for similar 'crimes'. And I am also tired of all reviews always piling on romantic comedies, when buddy, sports, and action flicks are the same kind of popcorn fare for men, catering to similar feelings of being the underdog, valiantly struggling, and heroically overcoming and getting glory/love/fame. How is a romantic comedy any worse? Not to say that this movie actually isn't worse. There are bad, bad movies out there. *shudder* I won't take issue with the review of this one because I haven't seen it. I'm responding more to a feeling on this and other sites that female stars and chick flicks get both more scrutiny and more hate.

becca: Banana cake. I just don't care enough to find out what she said exactly, but if she minds the "naggy" stereotype, how can she be ok with the "vapid, useless, I-can't-live-without-a-man-my-sole-purpose-in-life-is-to-get-married" shit?

The Filthy Critic does this kind of thing much better than you do, Dustin.

I mean, really: Massengill Mouth?!

Pretty weak.

as so many have already said, the 2nd paragraph is precious brilliance. i really dislike this tart but couldn't articulate exactly what--well, that's not entirely true. i mean, just watching that crap ass show grey's anatomy justifies why i don't like her. then again, i have a telly and ergo, i believe all TV programming is shite (simpsons, family guy and a few select others excepted).

but yea, KH sucks. ass. oh, and i love the crack about her teefs.

Fourth Starletard of the Apocolypse: J.Simp.

Isn't it obvious?

as so many have already said, the 2nd paragraph is precious brilliance. i really dislike this tart but couldn't articulate exactly what--well, that's not entirely true. i mean, just watching that crap ass show grey's anatomy justifies why i don't like her. then again, i don't have a telly and ergo, i believe all TV programming is shite (simpsons, family guy and a few select others excepted).

but yea, KH sucks. ass. oh, and i love the crack about her teefs.

Bree, while J.Simp is definitely retarded, she's not a drunken, junkie, slutty disaster like the other 3. Besides, I don't think it's politically correct to call real retarded people retarded. Oops...shit, there I did it. Mentally handicapped. Or whatever.

Kelsy: Haven't you seen all the female action leads? They're getting as common as male leads in action films these days.

Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, the Aliens movies (including AvP...)...

Oh James Marsden, how far you've sunk since Sugar and Spice (dammit, I love that movie).

I admit I have no strong opinion one way or the other on Katherine Heigl - I can barely tell her apart from any of the other cookie cutter products out there. What will keep me from the theater is the sheer stupidity of the concept.

Who in the hell knows 27 people well enough to be in their weddings anyway? Jesus God, does the word "NO" exist for this idiot? And if I had that many close, personal friends with such bad taste as to dress me like an fifth grader's prom fantasy, I'd run away and join a sideshow. At least there I'd get paid to look like an idiot...

Oh, Paddy . . .

With the exception of The Philadelphia Story, wedding films leave me cold

Generally agree, except I'm assuming that's an unintentional omission of 4W&aF? John Hannah's reading of "Funeral Blues" alone puts that one in the pantheon.

I'd rather watch a C-Span congressional debate on offal tariffs.

This is why you're hot.

I'm sure this will be hugely popular, especially with the most evil day of the year (Valentine's Fucking Day) looming

Yes, we were meant to be together.

Sam-T, though I'm a secret-shame fan of Edward Burns the actor/director, I had to chuckle that "The Wire"'s Ed Burns has eclipsed The Brothers McMullen's Edward Burns in name recognition with someone as plugged-in as yourself. There's hope for our world!

I'm not even sure if I coined the term -- someone elsewhere surely has used it -- but the Fourth Starletard of the Apocalypse 'round Pajiba-way, as referenced in Tuesday's (sh)it list, is Nicole Ritchie, playing the role of Famine.

While I love reading the reviews on this site and I generally trust the opinions stated therein, I've actually started to dread occasions where I think Katherine Heigl might be mentioned. She's just an actress, no more or less. She's not a symbol for the feminist values of America. The hatred for her is honestly quite ugly and all of the rationalizing about why everyone should hate her is insulting to your readers. You've clearly taken a personal dislike to her, which is fine. I can't stand Zac Efron, for no good reason. But being so repeatedly, crudely unpleasant about her over and over is unnecessary.

I think WAY too many people confuse Katherine Heigl with Izzie Stevens. The dislike for the actress really seemed to start when her character went off the deep end. Again, she's just an actress, and maybe she's opinionated and hypocritical to an extent, but she's in movies and on TV, not running for office. Lay off for a second, take a deep breath, and be thankful you only had to see this movie once. Last I checked, you do this voluntarily.

::Skipped to the Bottom after reading ALISON's comment::

Hold the fuck up there for a second Alison. Number one, if you read this site AT ALL then you know about use of the word misogyny and it's recent discussion. Pull your fucking car over to the side of the road and throw that shit out the window now. I'm not even going to address that word further because it's CLEARLY apparent from your usage of it that yes...the word has been softened. And no one uses it correctly anymore. I hate my ex girlfriend because she tried to bang my best friend right after she and i broke up. Does that make me misogynist? No. It makes her a fucking swunt and me a rational human being.

Do you honestly call making statements about being a role model for strong women and then playing a role like this ambitious? I call it greedy. I call it selling yourself. I call it being a whore for the camera. I call it hypocritical. But I'll never call it ambitious. She makes MORE than enough money from Gray's (she's the highest paid person on the fucking show). Ambitious would have been a role that made her work a bit, not just flash he giant, unusually darkly outlined teeth for the camera whilst pining for a husband to give a sense of self-worth. Your definition of ambitious is about as deep as an Arizona mud puddle if this is a good example of the word for you. The umbrage she raises in people is built on her willingness to run her mouth, but lack of action. So you used to respect this site huh? Good. Go back to fucking AintItKewl. We're done with you here.

It's one thing to have an opinion about a review. It's another thing to use WAY inapparopriate terms (see misogyny) to attempt to make a point. It's also another thing not to know what the fuck you are talking about. Peoeple hate her because she talks shit.PER.I.OD. Now please...go crash into a gas truck. It's people like you who make my left eye twitch.

Okay, let's round it out:

NR = Famine ("You've lost some of your stuffing, Scarecrow!")

PH = Pestilence (STDs, people. STDs will be the fall of Man)

BS = War (at war with the legal system, at war with the good sense god gave a goose, at war with herself (Thank you, Dr. Phil!))

LL = Death (the death of culture, or death by heavy coke use; could also choke to death on a penis or her own vomit)

Socalled: You know I'm yours! A man who worships Cary Grant as you do (and not in a That Touch of Pink kind of way) and knows how to use sarcasm as a weapon, well as someone once wrote "I have no defenses against your demographic".
Good call on the 4Weddings & a Funeral omission. I didn't forget about it, but have decided not to categorize it among the hated genre because in the end (SPOILER for anyone living under a rock fot the past 12 years), they actually choose not to marry which was great.
And yes, any film that includes a Scot reading an Auden poem cannot be criticized (plus, that amazing hat on Andie McDowell!)

Banana cake would be delicious. Golden spoon should make banana ice cream. Who says she'll be a naggy wife? From where I'm sitting, she's done the gross-out, man-centric comedy, and now she's solidifying her status as generically hot blonde by doing a traditional romcom. She may very well think that this movie is sexist, and for all I know she'll call it so the next time she's interviewed by GlamoVaniMopolitan. She has already said in the press, "this isn't a particularly intelligent film," and I think it's kind of funny that as long as she keeps selling tickets, she can keep on biting the sexist hand that feeds.

Anyway, I don't love the Heigl or anything and I certainly don't have anything invested in defending her, specifically; I just don't think a woman who made an offhand comment (in a fucking VF interview) about sexism in Hollywood needs to be as principled as the president of NOW. Call me crazy, but I wasn't looking to Heigl to define feminism for me, and while I found her sexism comments amusing, I don't hold my generistarlets to particularly high social and moral standards.

I don't like her, but I find the seething hatred misguided.

[kicks open door]

[Pauses. Looks around.]

Oh, hey Pissboy. I see you got here first.

[Looks around again.]

Wow. Nice work.

Wow, talk about misplaced anger: PissBoy, really, go slam into a gas truck? Really? I mean, it certainly evokes an image, but come on, man. That's low.

Off-topic (as if I wasn't already) -- Now for a woman we can all (ahem) get behind: Linda Cardellini interview over the Onion AV Club. Roowwwrrr!

No...trust me. I can go a lot lower. Shall I?

[Raising a glass to PissBoy]

Well said, sir. I concur. Well mostly. I don't wish that anyone should crash into a gas truck. Maybe a maple syrup truck because that would be messy and destructive enough.

[Bowing out for more pleasant pastures because it's Friday and there's no sense arguing over the merits of a second-rate actress who in ten years be showing up in Lifetime movies and hawking those mattresses with programmable features or something. Plus, it's hot chocolate time! Yip! Yip!]

Dustin is damn funny and KH is an annoying bitch.

While I personally find this vitriol spewed at Katherine Heigl confusing and immature, can someone please explain how the name 'Skank Cancer' came to be? If it was in the real-time reviews of Grey's, I never read them, as I've never seen the show and never had any interest in it anyway. I do, however, kind of have a soft spot for Heigl because of Roswell. I liked that show, at least the first season of it.

Feel free to jump down my throat now.

First of all, amen to that first paragraph.

Secondly, this movie looks like a bowel movement.

Amen, alabamapink.

Yes, yes, Alison used the dreaded "m" word, but she also made a good point in asking why we're so damn upset about a woman who really doesn't deserve this much conversation. Heigl's not pretending to be a social revolutionary, and I don't think her ambition is any more broad or deep than that the next actress in the line. In the course of filling up a three-pageinterview, she spit out a few words that we deem incongruous with her public persona. I just don't understand why we give such a big old fuck about it?

I'll take a possibly hypocritical, greedy celebrity over one that: changes the definition of addiction in the name of shirking responsibility, makes a mockery of rehabilitation AND the justice system, or pretends that racism, anti-semitism and homophobia are products of a few too many martinis rather than deeply embedded social problems.

Well, I guess it's time to add my two cents to the bunch.

It's nice to see so much support for Heigl... or at least some backlash against the Skank Cancerness of the site. I agree with most of what everyone said in favor of Heigl. Seriously? Where did such hatred come from? If you don't like her, don't see her movies, and don't watch her show. It's as simple as that. And comparing her to other celebutantes and tabloid targets is a cheap shot, and a dumb one, too. Is anyone going to mention Heigl and Lohan/Britney/Paris in the same sentence? I doubt it. She's allowed to her opinion, and as she's been anointed an heiress to Julia's throne, tough cookies, 'cause we're gonna have to hear it.

I just really don't understand it at all. I doubt the film's any good, but I'm sure Heigl's charming in it. It seems like the tagline for the site should be "Scathing Reviews, Bitchy People. P.S. Katharine Heigl can suck it."

AlabamaPink: You must not be aware of the great Boston Molasses Disaster of 1919. A molasses truck exploded in Boston killing 21 and injuring over 100 people with very bad burns, something to do with the heat of the day and fermentation of the molasses inside. So while you may think it okay to have people crash into a maple syrup truck, if this were to actually happen on a very hot day, well, you'd just be playing into PissBoy's evil scheme!

"Scathing Reviews, Bitchy People. P.S. Katharine Heigl can suck it."

I don't care about her one way or another, but... I kinda like that. Got a nice ring to it.

Anyway, I think becca's theory is right. Y'all have no one but yourselves to blame. You drove the man to this, with your incessant Greys requests.

You called down the thunder, now you've got it.

How much do I adore reading comments posted by folks who have yet to experience the wonders that are PissBoy and, even though he has yet to grace us with his presence today, BSlim?

SO much, folks, so fucking much.

Seriously though, there was a comment diversion a few months back in which we all listed those celebrites for whom we harbor irrational hatred (Fergie tops my list). I remember Dustin listing Old Wonkytooth quite prominently on his. So, yeah, we all know how he feels about her and should not be surprised when he tosses a few colorful insults her way when reviewing her film.

Meh, Heigl doesn't bother me too much. I thought her comments about Knocked Up after she garnered so much attention in its wake were childish and bratty, but nobody's perfect. How many celebrities don't shoot their mouths off once in a while? They all think they are more important than they are, and they all think their opinion matters. And they all think they are more intelligent than they actually are, especially ones like Heigl with half a brain cell, because they are comparing themselves on a daily basis to the truly retarded, like J Simp and Paris, instead of normal people who have...oh, I don't know...a real job and maybe even an education.

About the wedding-obsessed leading lady issue...I dislike it. It's sending an awful message to young women and too much of that crap can make a person feel less than adequate for not having a man. However, that attitude is unfortunately a reality. I think I'm right around the age when women start flipping the fuck out about their single status. I cannot tell you how many of my single friends (talented, successful, attractive women) think all is lost and they might as well go out and purchase a cat and start ordering from the home shopping network every evening. Or how many of my coupled-up girlfriends are in constant fights with their boyfriends because he won't propose. And these are all women who, a few years ago, were having the time of their lives moving around, jump-starting their careers, and reveling in singleness. So while it is disgusting, there is a sick truth to it. But I guess you might say these movies are adding and perpetuating the problem.

I'm pretty much all hated-out right now and my life has gotten a lot better since I started forgetting to care about any of those Greys Anatomy people besides Sandra Oh. I think Heigl did show some unexpected insight when she acknowledged the sexism in Knocked Up, but she could have been more articulate about it.

As far as following those comments with this movie; better feminists than her have made greater sacrifices to the patriarchy. Not that it makes her immune from criticism, but I don't expect that much from her to begin with.

Whether I see the movie depends on how long it stays in theaters and my friend's ability to sit in a movie seat for the required amount of time. We have to see Juno first.

sarafrances: We have to see Juno first.

You're goddamn right you do.

becca, I should clarify. I didn't mean to say she did the same thing as Alba, just that both women tend to say things that seem counter to their actions, and that is annoying. How am i supposed to approach them and their work? Is it okay for me to think "Wow, she is really hot" without regret?

Like I said, I do find Katherine Heigl (and Alba) attractive. And I think that Dustin has been sent into paranoid psychopathy due to too much Grey's Anatomy. But I also see where some folks can be frustrated by her. That's all.

Although, there was a similar camapign against Scarlett Johannsen last year. Maybe it has nothing to do with the actual target, and is simply a cycle of blonde actresses that are currently hot stuff getting the Pajiban treatment.

I love you.

cloverfield

Cloverfield

Cloverfield

CLOVERFIELD!

Socalled: YAY!!

I have nothing to add to the Heigl discussion other than 27 Dresses looks like ass but I will probably rent it via Netflix since I have a weakness for Judy Greer. That is all.

PaddyDog: Hot damn. I learn something new every day.

I got a fever for CLOVERFIELD!

And hot chocolate. Yum.

But why should the blonde actresses get hated on so much? Come on now. I disliked Julia Roberts and Sandra Bullock during their prime earning years and they were both brunnettes. It wasn't so much that I HATED them and wanted them to die in a pool of their own skank, I just knew the movies they were in tended to be ones I don't want to watch - RomComs that make you want to light a torch to society and watch it burn. My hatred wasn't for the women themselves, but the movies they were in and the tired stereotypes they usually reinforced. I try to separate that hatred from the actress, because their career choices shouldn't necessary be political choices. It would be nice if women in Hollywood took a stand and refused roles they believe reinforced gender stereotypes instead of paying lip service to feminism and then cashing in the big check anyway, but who am I to judge.

"pure wedding torture corn"

Chuckles galore. And honestly, I'm hard-pressed to decide which is worse, torture corn or torture porn. I'm equally reticent to watch either.

I get the distinct feeling that somebody wants Cloverfield reviewed...

Sometimes people just rub other people the wrong way. Vermillion had it right - there's always a Dunst, a Johannsen, a Cage, an Alba - Heigl's just one of many, many, many to come. I just hope Dustin and her never meet at a Sizzler... Jesus, it'd be a fuckin' warzone.

Like I said, some people just rub other people the wrong way. To see someone rubbed the right way, please visit my website www.skittimusmaximuscaveofforbiddenpleasuresandknittingtips.com

Vermillion- I can absolutely see how and why Heigl annoys people. Like I said, I'm certainly not a member of her fan club; but the hyperbolic stream of vitriol aimed in her direction has, for me, become a distraction rather than an amusement.

Tell me the movie sucks, and tell me her performance is flatter Alison's tires when Pissboy gets through with them; but the tangent-inducing hatred is getting old, and seriously, she's worse than crazytrain Britney "i dont need my chillens when i have the deep, deep love of the paps" Spears? Nah.

And, uh, you can find her hot if you want. If your brain and your tingly places are on particularly good terms, maybe you can't, but I don't know you well enough to make that call.

TK- I would have seen Juno weeks ago, but I promised her that I'd see it with her. It's killing me, but she has a really good reason not to go see it and I can't even be pissed at her about it.

TK- I would have seen Juno weeks ago, but I promised my friend that I'd see it with her. It's killing me, but she has a really good reason not to go see it and I can't even be pissed at her about it.

Oh, and please be eighteen...

nice, sara. Delurk only to embarrass yourself by double-posting. Now you have to change your name.

One more thing for Vermillion: I was running a race this past weekend, and at or around mile three (aka before I was delirious), I passed Vermillion street as well as a building of the same name. With many, many miles to go, it was a nice Pajiba distraction.

Personally I don't get the huge hate on for Heigl? I've always enjoyed her work spawning from the Roswell days. I'm sure we've all said things that we've later regret. Or had a moment of like "Fuck, that could have come across better". At least she has enough balls to actually say whats on her mind, instead of being some insipid cockmunching starletard.

Until a week ago, I didn't even know there was a backlash against her in regards to the Knocked Up or Isiah Washington situations. Shows how observant I am. Coincidentally I do have this Month's issue of Vanity Fair featuring her. Her words aren't that bad.......

"It was a little sexist" she says "It paints the woman as shrews, as humorless and uptight, and it paints the men as loveable, goofy fun loving guys. It exaggerated the characters, and I had a hard time with it, on some days. I'm playing such a bitch; why is she being such a killjoy? Why is this how you're portraying woman? Ninety-eight percent of the time it was an amazing experience, but it was hard for me to love the movie"

following in the same article, Judd Apatow's response

" I think, for all of us, making this movie was like when you get drunk and spurt out your deepest feelings and then the next day you have a drunk remorse about what you said. We all feel very proud and a little embarassed about what we've revealed about ourselves. The movie is not meant to be romantic, it's meant to be honest . Katie could have not been better, because she went there"

Haven't we all signed up for something, and then had reservations about it? It doesn't seem to me that she is putting the movie down at all. She's just being honest about the feelings it evoked for her. And well, she was in it. I think that garners her the right to a little criticism.... You know how I have the right to rip on my family all I want, but the moment someone else says something, well then I'll fuck em up! It may not be the most rational way of thinking, but we're all guilty of it are we not?

Regardless, we're all entitled to our opinions. To each their own......

To all of those arguing for the sake of argument:

If you don't want to read vitriol directed at Heigl (and I'm assuming if you've been 'round these parts in the last, hell, few weeks, you would at least be unsurprised at said vitriol) then I would recommend not reading a review about a movie with Heigl as the lead.

I mean, what the hell is the point of reviewing a movie like 27 Dresses if you aren't allowed to bitch about it, or the people in it? No one complains that Eddie Murphy gets too much hate after a fat-suit movie.

Also, have to agree with PissBoy. Just because you hate one woman doesn't mean you hate them all.

So next time, whoever dares to bring out the "M" word should know ahead of time that you are getting jumped on.

But then again, you are probably just arguing for the sake of argument, as I mentioned, so there is never lack of fodder for you here!

Welcome, arguers of the world!

Pajiba!

Ah yes, all this back and forth pissery makes me feel so at home. That's why I love this site.
James Marsden has been added to my top 5 (because of Enchanted, not this dreck).

To sum up: James Marsden is pretty, and this movie sho' do look shitty.

Okay, I haven't read all the comments, but I want to say something about sexism in hollywood.

Knocked Up was definitely slanted from the male point of view, but I think it is a hell of a lot better than most other films. I really didn't think either woman was that naggy (at least compared with most of the shit out there.) And I loved that whole "you think that because you don't yell, you're not mean" thing. God damn is that true, and my mother has said that to my Dad a million times.

What is really sexist is not that women characters are "naggy" or "sexy" or "slutty." And it isn't even the fact that those are pretty much the only options. What really sucks is that whether it is action, drama, hell, even a stupid slit my wrists with paper cuts crapfest like this, men always have more character development, and better lines.

When will a woman get a "Yippie ki yay motherfucker" or perhaps a "you can't handle the truth" or even a lame ass "show me the money"

No, we get mother fucking "I'm just a girl, standing in front of a boy..."

*slits wrists and dies*

Seriously though... I ALSO need a Cloverfield review. I want to see it. I want to see it on a big screen, rather than rent it and watch with all the enthusiam of trying to masturbate while my arm's asleep and your pee-paw's in the next room folding towels. I want to know if it's worth seeing on a big screen. I want people to tell me what to do, godammit!

I'm just glad my boy Marsden finally gets the girl. Why his fine ass keeps getting dissed in movies is far beyond me.

A-fucking-men. That was some seriously shitty phenomena I didn't understand, and I have a renewed sense of hope in this world now that this has occurred on film. Marsden = vaginally obligated (or obliged, to avoid the wrath of grammar nazis). Except for this movie.

Gamma? EXACTLY.

As usual romcoms produce many a comments. I love it. To me KH is a woman accepting work that will give her money. I mean I do it at my job everyday. It may not be the job that I want or choose at this moment but I do it and try to do it well and get raises/bonuses etc. She's trying to get herself out there. Now to the other point, she needs to shut up and stop glorifying herself--Like she is some female martyr. You take fluff movies for the money. Can someone just be honest and say that? If you look at any sucessful actress, questionable or not, they all have a bad film or 10. (Halle Berry, Oscar winning actress and B.A.P.S. etc). I guess that's how I look at it.

It would be nice if women in Hollywood took a stand and refused roles they believe reinforced gender stereotypes instead of paying lip service to feminism and then cashing in the big check anyway, but who am I to judge.

Posted by: JanetFaust at January 18, 2008 2:33 PM

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The reason women don't do this is because there is always another younger, prettier actress willing to take the cash and the bad script and doesn't give a flying fuck what all the Pajibans think.

To sum up: James Marsden is pretty, and this movie sho' do look shitty.

boo, I am sorry, I have a new she-ro now, and it is jen310.

becca: A street with my little ol' callsign? Awesome! As far as my nethers, well, it ain't like they have much else to do.

Theresa, I distinctly remeber some real classic zingers from Geena Davis in Long Kiss Goodnight ("Die screaming, motherf*cker" was a favorite). She was probably the closest to a female John McClane I have seen. I hope that was somewhat realted to your point. *looks around* What? Somebody want to start something? I will fight to the death over that movie!

Oh, and as far as a male equivalent of Heigl in the vitriol department: David Cross after "Alvin and the Chipmunks", anyone? He even dissed the movie even though he starred in it, only to garner even MORE hatred. Since we are able to forgive him, why not Heigl?

So... I lost my rule book link- how drunk should I be right now? Three shots? Four? What's the "m" word drinking rule? Do we have a rule about Socalled and PaddyDog virtually hooking up in spite of the chaos? We should.

I have managed to avoid 90% of what KH has been in, but what I've seen as annoyed me, and when she opens her mouth in interviews I cringe. So I get that she trashed her character in Knocked Up because it didn't wind up being the character she (supposedly) THOUGHT it would be... but what's the excuse now? Seriously- it's a movie about wanting desperately to be married. Did they give her a bad edit? Was she shoved into ANOTHER switcharoonie with the plot lines? Nope. So yeah, she can suck it.

Tammy's math was the best on the topic. Off to find the booze... once BSlim gets here, I'm sure we'll have even more shots to do.

What the fuck, guys. What the fuck? I mean, seriously, let us take a step back and look at where our collective anger is going to this week.

A pretty, dumb (pretty dumb) actress. Who is, by no means, the worst part of an inoffensive TV show, and did her job well in a hit funny movie (stand still and let the funny guys be funny).

and yet you mother fuckers HATE her. Like want to string her by her eyelids hate. Want to put a cage on her head and pour a bag or rats into said cage until she turns her back on everything she believes in, screaming out "DO IT TO JULIA!" and falling in love with Big Brother.

Why all the hate? I mean, she's just a random actress. Hot, sure. Not that smart? Whatever. a bit of a insufferable cunt. SHE'S A HOLLYWOOD ACTRESS. They all are like that.

Why not hate on Britney Murphy? Or Kate Hudson? Jessica Alba?

Why is THIS one so bad?

Thank you Mr. Boynton for properly labeling the 4 Horseman

Does anyone have a nice and easy banana cake recipe? Too lazy to google. Thanks becca, now I can't get it out of my head.

I saw Juno last night and I think I'm in love. Seriously. Ellen Page now has a free pass from me for life.

wow, Vermillion, if I had ever known I was your she-ro, my feelings might be hurt.

Was it the Mandy Moore comment? Gah. I knew it.
Still, I'm not taking it back!!! Hey, at least I'm a pseudo-straight chick with a crush on another chick! THAT HAS TO COUNT FOR SOMETHING, VERM!!!

Don't quit me.

Vermillion,
Geena Davis was AWESOME in The Long Kiss Goodnight. Good call. I need to buy that movie.

I don't think David Cross counts because he was generally loved before the Chipmunk-Gate. Just my take on it.

joker: Actually, I do. I made a banana cake for my kid's first birthday last year, and everyone went ape-crap for it.

Am I seriously this domesticated?

Theresa, I offer you this:

"Get away from you, you BITCH!"

Ellen Ripley, way more badass than John MacLean ever dreamed of being.

Vermillion - LKGN is high quality action fare. Don't you ever apologize for liking it.

Okay, here's the thing: I appreciate you. I really do. I'll be using "Torture Corn" everytime my mother brings up another movie she wants me to watch. But this last review was ricockulous. KH may annoy you, and we're sorry you had to see her movie, but I think the hate campaign might be just a leeeeetle bit overkill.
Especially here.

Cleanse your soul with a separate I Hate KH thread if you must, but here in this movie I'm certain more of it sucked than just her, and her hypocritical risque mag covers were not under review here. Let's be fair.

I'm sick of these shitty jokes about cancer (as in "Skank Cancer"). They're crass and juvenile and disgustingly hateful. As someone whose mother died of cancer, I find this continual cutsey, we're-so-freaking-hip-and-ironic-it-hurts reference to be offensive. Feel free to criticize Katherina Heigle or any other celeb for being or seeming to be an ass, but I'd be so happy if you all dropped this expression.

For what it's worth, joker, I've been daydreaming (and probably night-dreaming, too) about banana ice cream at Golden Spoon for at least a week now.

Re: misogyny.

It's not misogynist to hate one particular woman for a good reason. But this Katherine Heigl thing comes across as Dustin violently hating Heigl for speaking her mind in public - and saying something he didn't like. Which seems like something that could be symptomatic of an overall hatred of woman - misogyny. Now, I've read enough of Dustin's writing to realise that's probably not the case, it's probably just one of those irrational celebrity hate things that he plays up because it makes an entertaining read. But I definately see how people who had read nothing but his Heigl stuff could see it as misogyny.

Lilianna28: In the curious absence of drinking game rule master Alex The Odd, I propose that every time the "M" word is used, an entire bottle of rubbing alcohol should be consumed.

About Socalled and myself, our publicists have issued hasty denials and will be doing the rounds of the entertainment shows to insist that your claims are unsubstantiated. (You'll destroy the negatives after you get the pay-off, right?).

Katherine Heigl = the Hillary Clinton for Hollywood devotees.

Discuss.

some have mentioned their love for james marsden, and i just want to tell them about a movie called "interstate 60"....
he stars along side gary oldman, kurt russell, chris cooper, ann-margret, amy smart, and many more. it's a funky little movie, but i love it as have all i have shown it too. i found it in my quest to watch every gary oldman movie.
just sharing.....

Sarafrances, go see Juno right now!

Same with everyone else who says there are no good juicy female leads out there. This one just happens to be a young one. Then go watch her in Hard Candy and tell me what you think about that one, too. Seriously, I haven't seen it yet and I want to know.

And I was ignoring this movie until James Marsden popped up in the preview and my immediate response was "Oh crap, now I want to see this terrible movie. Can't he get some action in something less stupid?" So tell me, should I go watch him in Enchanted instead?

Paddy, we'll see how things go... k?

Do we need a new category for being politically incorrect re: cancer? Hey, it's Friday, I'll drink for anything.

Paddy, I briefly considered dedicating Charlie's entire "David Cassidy" speech to you, but then I decided to go with Scarlett, because it's how I feel about you: "They say rubber's mainly for perverts. Don't know why. Think it's very practical, actually. I mean, you spill anything on it and it just comes off. I suppose that could be why the perverts like it."

V and Daphne: I fucking love the water-wheel scene. Charlie should have had her own Die Hard type franchise. Kiss Me Goodnight: Longer and Smoochier . . . Deep-Kissing Goodnight: Borderline Fellatio . . . At Long Last, Goodnight: You're Kissing My Underpants.

And finally, re "cancer" suppression, Rebecca D., I think I speak for nearly everyone: Aaaarrrggghhhhh!!! We're not losing any more words around here! Unless you're fucking with me. Is that you, B-Slim?

TK / Vermillion:

Yes, you are both tottally correct (and I too
LKGN. Why would you apologize?)

Anyway, maybe I'm an idiot, but my only point was that it seems that you have to look a lot harder for a strong female character in a film. Even in your (very awesome) suggestions, I find a problem, both of them are a few years old.

However, I am just so happy someone responded. Two people! Damn, I wish I were more coherent today...

you know, i have to say one of the things that i love about pajiba is that no one here is afraid of their opinions. that being said, however, a little strong, don't you think? yeah this movie is likely a stupid piece of fluff but really, is it worth the energy of getting so upset? it's not pretending to be anything that it's not and the people who go see it are going to be the kinds of people who like these kinds of movies.

shouldn't we be saving our cinematic outrage (and i am well aware that at this moment, i'm setting myself up to get pounced on) for movies like "into the wild"? a sanctimonious work that was lauded as being genius when really, it was just sean penn ejaculating onto celluloid? attack the films that are billing themselves as life-changing, they are much more deserving of your vitrol.

oh, and just in case anyone was reading this review because they actually wanted to go see 27 dresses -- do yourself a favor, skip the $12 ticket price (if you live in manhattan, as i do) and go rent four weddings and a funeral instead. i agree with the above people who praised it... yes, it has romance but more importantly, it is hysterical, well-acted and fun. it is the kind of movie that should be held up by those who argue that movies that simply entertain have their place too.

Great review. I'm passing on the movie because I'm tired of seeing the successful woman care so much about marriage to the point where they look crazy and a happy ending translates to her being successful in landing a man. Ridiculous.

I don't like Heigl because she's a bad actress. She overacts in my opinion.

I can understand your hate for her because she has that capability to just rub people the wrong way. For sheer entertainment value, I don't think your review was over the top at all.

Holy hell and tacos, sniffing around the site on my bored slide into the weekend:

TMax, I totally missed your uber-kind words for myself and Ted on the thread for the Great Debaters. Thank you so much.

Anyone know if TMax has a blog or something, as I'd like to close that kindness-loop.

I'm taking a break from the article:
"After the weddings, Jane leaves her day planner in the back of a cab, where Kevin (James Marsden) -- a wedding journo (ha!) -- recovers it and decides to run a story on her. However, Jane doesn't know that Kevin is her favorite wedding columnist, so she doesn't yet know that she should be in love with him."

What are you talking about? Is there such thing as a wedding columnist? Should I have a favorite one? What's the deal?

P.S. Anne (in Reno), unless you're really into disney movies, i would skip "enchanted." i was dragged by a friend who promised me it would be a satire on disney but it's a satire on disney by disney which loses some of the more biting humor i would have liked to see. i, however, seem to be in the minority in this opinion.

ANYONE WHO HAS NOT YET SEEN "JUNO": run, don't walk. so delightful, i've seen it twice (even with the aforementioned $12 ticket price)

Oh, the wonder that would be BSlim's contributions to this board, but alas we are left wanting.

I should have mentioned in my first post that I do not like La Heigl, not because of her opinion regarding Knocked Up, it is the inherent hypocrisy within it. Although, I do find her attractive and would not hesitate to, how do you say, "hit it"?

socalled, you do know a LKGN sequel is in the works, right? I don't know where it is due to the recent trouble, but I distinctly remember hearing about them trying to get Geena back in the saddle, and having her daughter older and possibly following in her bloody footsteps.

Was it the Mandy Moore comment? Gah. I knew it.
Still, I'm not taking it back!!! Hey, at least I'm a pseudo-straight chick with a crush on another chick! THAT HAS TO COUNT FOR SOMETHING, VERM!!!

Don't quit me.

Posted by: boo at January 18, 2008 3:18 PM

You were, for quite some time. And yes, the Mandy Moore comment was a bit disconcerting. But I just don't know how to quit you. You have tattoos and crush on chicks; how am I supposed to hate that?

Consider yourself on she-ro probation.

Heigl v. Cross: Thing is, Daphne Wilson, Heigl was liked at one point too. I do remember many a person here saying how they actually liked the first season of Grey, and I think Roswell was fairly well received. Plus, she had to have some good will from Knocked Up. But like I said, it just seems like a cycle. Like how a full moon brings out werewolves, it seems the blonde-du-jour tends to send certain Pajibans into uncontrollable fits of fury. It is the curse of La Lunatica!

But part of me still wishes my reviews drew such attention. I seem so plain compared to the others. Sigh.

My theory: people hate her instinctively because of her kraut-sounding last name and the fact that she's blonde. HI-GULL. Say it with me... Sounds German, doesn't it?

RE "how is it possible that anyone actually has 27 friends close enough to be in their wedding parties"

I actually don't find that so unrealistic. At one point in my life, I worked in a photo processing lab that did a lot of wedding pictures. I couldn't believe how many bitches - sorry, women - had numbers of bridesmaids in the double digits. Not 27, but one of them must have had a dozen, at least. I think a lot of them had delusions that they were the next Princess Di and rounded up as many bridesmaids as possible so as to give the effect of queen and her courtiers. The whole idea of a bridesmaid is kinda retarded, if you think about it. And making your closest friends shell out a lot of money for a fugly dress is unforgivable. And I saw some fugly-ass dresses.

I kinda thought Heigl's remarks about "Knocked Up" were refreshing. Most "stars" act (some none too convincingly) like the latest movie they're pimping is the bestest, funnest, most thought-provoking ever. And considering how sub-standard many of these movies are, it actually increases my respect for someone who will say, publicly, "well, there were some difficulties" or (usually much later, after the movie has come and gone) "Yeah, I know it sucked, I did it for the money." I don't care when people sell out, just be honest about it, you're cool by me. If people only worked on good movies, well, that'd be awesome, but there'd be a whole lot of people out of work.

If you still wanna hate on the Heigl, go for it. I don't really care.

I think we should have the OED's definition of the "M" word in the margins of every article that mentions Heigl. A pic of Marsden would be nice too, so cute in Enchanted! And I know he can be more versatile, I just know it. Gossip was okay, right?
Oooh, what if, just throwin this out there...what if Heigl is the monster in Cloverfield?! Oooh, what a twist. I'm Heigl and I'm gonna eat you!

Heigl-hating aside, do we really need another mindless wedding movie where the actor(s) karaoke some random song so show how humble/nerdy/attractive he or she or they is or are?

If you're really itching to see a wedding movie, I'll second Four Weddings and a Funeral. I'll also strongly suggest you go out and rent Muriel's Wedding, a true gem of a movie from Down Under. Only outside of America will you see a film which turns the wedding romcom on its ass. And only outside of America will a film realistically show that life and love (and the vast majority of people, for that matter) are not always pretty.

Re: all the vitriol about KH....

Please forgive me if I'm missing something...I don't take note of details very well...but...I'm noticing some of the people defending are unknowns, lurkers, and sometime posters like myself. I'm not sure if you are aware of this...but this is a bitchy site. Where people come to bitch. There's a lot of venom floating around for various actors/actresses, directors, producers. Yes, some of it justified, and yes, some of it not especially...but if you'll notice the top of your screen...this is a very appropriate forum to air that. In addition, nobody does maliciousness like the top editor of this site...but most of the other writers come close. And...correct me if I'm wrong...but it is his site, right? You came here.

That being said...I've never like KH myself. Something about her always struck me as bobble-headed...and I personally don't find that attractive. I wouldn't even "hit it", as ScarletKnight so aptly put...I'd be afraid of catching her vapidness. Now, I don't quite have that level of hate for her...but I do for others. Sometimes irrationally. It happens. Everybody has that irrational hate for someone every now and then. I personally DESPISE Eli Roth, no matter what he does, no matter what he attempts. That's a personal matter. I don't have my own website - www.elirothsuxxorsroflmao.com - but if I did, I would certainly air my grievances against him at any and all opportunities. So it's fine to air your own opinions, it's fine to discuss with others here the review, even arguing your point is great...it makes for a great way to spend the afternoon. But taking Dustin to task on his own website for his opinion seems kinda....mentally challenged...to me.

All the above my own opinion, of course. Feel free to disagree...that's the point to the debate.

And seriously, where is Alex? The Pajiba drinking rules obviously need updating.

Muriel's Wedding

Yes, Toni Collette in all her hot, bucktoothed, Aussie glory. And Rachel Griffiths to boot. Mmmmmm, kangaroo threesome with Toni and Rachel. Mmmmm, donuts . . . .

socalled, you do know a LKGN sequel is in the works, right? I don't know where it is due to the recent trouble, but I distinctly remember hearing about them trying to get Geena back in the saddle, and having her daughter older and possibly following in her bloody footsteps.

OH. MY. GOD. Really? Oh, please, please, let this be true. But wait, what if they fuck it up? My heart shall be bruised forever. Vermillion, you don't want me heart bruised forever, do you? Do you?!

socalled, I realize that you and Paddy are in the throes of a passionate love affair (ahem, allegedly), but I want in on some of that action. The LKGN sequel titles are damned brilliant, I say!

KELSEY: Good point, what about a female lead in a non-romcom?

Also, I hate these movies because they reiterate the stupid idea that no woman is a success unless she has a man. As a fiercly independant young woman, I thought I had it all, but between my relatives, my girlfriends and DVT inducing movies like this, I was always brought down a peg since I was "alone". Now I have a man, and everyone's soooo proud of me, but it's hard work being as successful in my life as before. Still,
I was really hoping that this movie wouldn't be so bad, because I quite guiltily wanted to see the 27 dresses and because my bf has an inexplicable boner for this connasse. I guess I'll just wait for the montage to appear on Youtube and save my money. Sorry hun, no movie night boners for you this week.

theresa:

what about .... " you had me at hello "? all you women want to be men but it ain't gonna happen.
all this over the heigl? what a waste of energy. i almost said intellectual energy. almost.

Daphne, I have a boundless amount of virile cyber-love held just for you, not to mention my disturbing crush on 'bama.

For the next two days, my "Women of Pajiba" calendar will be turned to your page, and I don't give a damn whether it's August. It's HOT in here.

(The following paragraph was moved from my Mad Money review, to the comments section here, where it's more appropriate -- DR).

Man, you review one chick flick and you go away for a few hours to see another one (a chick-caper, no less!) and when you return, the interwebs have conspired against you. God bless those of you for showing the same self-righteous anger toward me that I have toward Heigl and, by taking a critic from an obscure pop-culture site to task, validating the notion that even small targets are sometimes worth the hate and animosity. Also, for getting your underdrawers in a bunch when I take the site's tagline to the extreme, I adore you all. It certainly provides for some liveliness. Oh, and I love Mandy Moore and LKGN, too.

Oooooh! Can I be Miss April? Can I? Can I?

And "Muriel's Wedding" is too awesome for words. Leave it to our kinfolk in Oz to completely smack the American rom-com around and call it Sally.

By the way, Toni Collette's the only celebrity I've been told I look like. I don't really sit, but whatever. I'll take a compliment, no matter how weird the form, any day.

Oh my god! An actress said something unfavorable about a role she took!
My goodness gracious, that's never been done before! Certainly not by respected actors! Oh, wait...
Take your head out of your asses, pajibans. This shit is starting to get ridiculous.
This is the "skank cancer" --can we retire this stupid as shit designation? it puts pajiba to shame-- quote: "[Knocked Up is] a little sexist. It paints the women as shrews, as humorless and uptight, and it paints the men as lovable, goofy, fun-loving guys. ... I had a hard time with it, on some days. I'm playing such a bitch; why is she being such a killjoy?"
What about this quote is not true? You can love a movie (and as an actor, accept a role) without agreeing completely with the message. It has been done repeatedly without this ridiculous backlash
She merely acknowledges what many women felt after seeing the movie: it was hilarious, well made and acted, and disconcerting in its portrayal of women. She merely articulates what she doesn't understand about her character. How many actors have said they couldn't stand the characters they played without being flayed for their remarks?
She never questions Apatow's skill, nor the quality of the movie itself.
So can we shut the fck up about this already?
And damn, I don't even like her as an actress.

Correction because I am sofa king retarded:

"By the way, Toni Collette's the only celebrity I've been told I look like. I don't really SEE IT, but whatever."

Sorry, that should be "take your heads out of your asses, pajibans."
Apparently moral outrage makes me type too quickly.

On rom-coms: I think about the genre like hypnosis - if you're dealing with a weak-minded or particularly suggestible person, sure, they might buy into the whole 'you need a man to be happy' concept. But - really - reasonably intelligent women who watch these don't buy into that whole idea or believe for a second that the marshmallow-fluff 'relationships' would happen or even function in the real world any more than an action movie fan believes they're about to be tapped by the CIA to foil a dastardly plot or a cubicle worker dreams about finding out that we're all living in the Matrix. The idea that these movies perpetuate emotional handicaps among the female members of the population grossly underestimates the intelligence of our gender.

Take it from a girl raised on the damn things.

We're willing to spend the money to watch these because we know how sticky and complicated real relationships, work, school, bills, life, etc. can be and like to have 90 minutes where we get to watch a relationship with a sure-thing happy ending. Sure, I can appreciate a film with multi-dimensional characters with a layered plot that speaks to the human condition. But I work hard, and sometimes I just want to take a break from dealing with all the crap in my life, check my brain at the door, and watch a frothy movie where the good people get good things and bad people get bad things.

That being said, there are certainly different levels of quality when it comes to rom-coms - even those that are 90% derivative -, and 27 may be on the low end. I don't know; I haven't seen it yet. (But I'm totally going to.)

On Katherine Heigl: Personally, I think you're being unnecessarily whatever-the-male-word-for-bitchy-is (currly?) towards her. She probably didn't think that Knocked Up would be as huge as it was (if it was supposed to be that big, they probably wouldn't have hired an actress who isn't even the lead on a TV show), thought it might be the defining role of her career, and didn't want to be type-cast as the hot girl in slacker-guy movies any more than Seth Rogen would want to be forever typecast as a perpetual adolescent.

I didn't think we were consipiring against Dustin; I thought we were talking amongst ourselves. And that Mad Money premiere just took the wind out of my sails. It's a beautiful Friday afternoon, I'm looking out over the Pacific, and I just feel flat. Perhaps it's from the argumentative exertion earlier in the day, or maybe I'm just that depressed that a) Luke Wilson is forgettable when I loved him so; b) Diane Keaton is irrelevant in current pop culture, Queen Latifah isn't enjoying her own schtick and Katie Holmes is a lifeless vessel of propaganda; and c) I'm not in the Pajiba calendar inner circle. I hope to one day be objectified in the name of high-minded yearly planners.

Alabama, how do I get the recipe then? Oh, I have an irrational dislike of all vague measurements like "a pinch" or "a cup". I spend way too much time agonising on the size of a cup/pinch/finger/fistful.

LKGN sequel?! YAY! I love that film. *scurries off to IMDB do check this out* I tried to get my brother to watch it, but he's a moron and said he doesn't like female action heroes. He may have said it to piss me off. Brothers are idiots.

Spike--Yeah there's a lot of action movie women, but I wish there were more movies just about women being women. There's a lot of movies about guys being guys, so I just want more about my gender.

To wsapnin - Exactly, there is always the next big thing just waiting to swoop in. That's one reason why I don't think Hollywood career choices can necessarily be political ones, unless the actor is just willing to take some financial hits and risk losing the all-important "star power". Some actors may actually care about how their choices appear - hypocritical or not - to their viewing public, but most do not give a flying fuck and just want their paycheck like everyone else. I can't fault K.H. for that, but she can't have her cake (be in the blockbuster rom-com that reinforces gender stereotypes) and eat it too (later decry said movie for reinforcing stereotypes.) It will be interesting to see if anyone questions her about 27 Dresses and its content RE: feminism.

I think that the most important thing that we've dicovered in this long, long discussion is that there might, just might be a sequel to LKGN.

If it were true it would make all discussion of KN irrelelevant. Unless she were in it.

Can you imagine a post-Bourne LKGN? With a fully post C-In-C Geena as the seasoned Charlie? Whoa.

I'm just that depressed that . . . I'm not in the Pajiba calendar inner circle. I hope to one day be objectified in the name of high-minded yearly planners.

Well, becca, I'm still looking for someone to take the Trinity spot in my Matrix-themed October 2008 layout. Or, if you're blonde and can speak with a British-trained Spanish accent, I still have the Barcelona/Tushka Bergen spot in May, though that's a bit esoteric for some. That's also my birthday month, so I hope you're limber.

Mmmm . . . Tushka Bergen. Along with Iben Hjejle, headlining my obscure foreign actress "mm-mm-good" pantheon. Out of Barcelona, we get Mira Sorvino, England somehow keeps Tushka.

Socalled: you touch me in so many ways.
But to deflect gossip from our torrid affair, anyone notice that B'Slim and Alex the Odd are both missing at the same time? Curious, no?

Slash: Thank you. Finally, someone who doesn't see the point in bridesmaids? What the fuck purpose do they serve? I have refused every bridesmaid offer made to me except for my sisters because my Mother insisted and you just don't mess with MaterPaddyDog (she was God's consultant when he was inventing guilt).

Finally, someone who doesn't see the point in bridesmaids? What the fuck purpose do they serve?

Humiliating all of the other women in your social circle, crushing their spirits and forcing them to bow to you for (at least) one day. What else is there?

Seriously, Dustin, get a grip. Does every actor have to only accept roles that reflect their own persona -- or just Heigl? It's called ACTING for a reason.

And, your never-ending hangup that feminists or strong women do not need romantic relationships is ITSELF SEXIST. All of the sociological studies ever done on the subject show that the majority of men and women consider a life-long relationship to be one of the paramount goals of their life. Do you castigate male actors who play love-lorn roles? Or do you reserve that bile for the females who do it?

I am a strong woman. I don't use the term "feminist" because I prefer a more egalitarian approach to life, but I can't think of many ways in which I resemble a shrinking violate. I am in a traditionally male profession. I have travelled extensively alone overseas for lengthy periods. I am physically strong. I enjoy traditionally male reading subjects, such as economics.

But, I still feel more complete as a result of the relationships in my life - with my family, with my friends, and yes (GASP!), with my man. Most of the gay and straight men I know also feel more complete as a result of their long-term romantic relationships. Most of the gay and straight men I know place utmost importance on their romantic relationships. Apparently, you run in very different social circles than I do because I really do not understand why that makes any of us weaker.

socalled- I'm flattered, but unfortunately for both of us in this particular situation, I'm a brunette. I am, however, very flexible.

That does make me eligible for the Trinity spot, right? I can wing a resemblance to Carrie Ann Moss, especially if she's as tall as she appears to be on film.

*Just checked, she is tall. Yippee. I can't believe I'm imdb'ing in the name of a fake calendar; or that I just verbed "imdb".

I'll take a regular bitch over a Feminist any day of the week.

Amen, Pookie.

[muttering . . . becca, Trinity, October, check, check, and check.]

Ok, bring your own black rubber catsuit, and please take my Scarlett quotation seriously. Also, you'll need to be bonded for insurance purposes. Heavily bonded.

I don't like Heigl. Some of us have disliked her as an actress for a very long time. I remember her from Roswell (shut up) and I always thought she was a bad actress. Gray's Anatomy did nothing to change my opinion, nor did Knocked Up.

Then the scandal on the G.A. set and she popped up in the news, first showing support for her costar (not bad, not bad). But *then*, it was all "I'd throw down" blah blah blah. It seemed, to me (and this is totally my thing), like she was sort of taking advantage of the situation, really throwing herself in where she didn't belong. Then there was the ass-kissing with People and all those trash rags, feeding them crap about her wedding (selling the photos to OK magazine). The name thing at the Emmys. Claiming she wants to be known for her versatility and nothing else (because she's a REAL ACTRESS, see?) but then she lunches at the Ivy and posed with the paparazzi.

Then there's this movie. I HATE actors that make movies like this one. I hate actresses who, like Gwyneth Paltrow before Heigl, go brown to portray the character as mousy/frumpy. It's friggin' insulting.

Let me make my self perfectly clear so no one comes at me with that lame "it's not like she's the ONLY one who does this, and there are others who are much worse" excuses- first off, I dislike all of the actors who do this, and secondly- "at least she isn't like Lohan"? Is that ya'll paying her a compliment or something? That's a really low standard to have.

I like opinionated, ambitious women. I *don't* like talentless fame-whores. And, imo, that's what Heigl is.

socalled - I appreciate that your love is boundless. I'm all warm and tingly (not like that! or maybe....).

becca - hee. Do you see what the men of Pajiba will do to you? Wait, can we have a men of Pajiba calendar? Yum!

Pookie - what if she's a bitch who happens to be a feminist?

I can't remember the last time someone called me "Homeskillet". Thank you. I thought I was the only one who used that word. Let's bring it back.

Damn you Daphne!! back to the drawing board.

I'm a little concerned that you think the decision to go brown is made by the actress, Sara.
You do know how movies work, right?
Right?

Holy SHIT people! I leave work early and go home to stew in my germs (I think I caught whatever Alex The Odd had last week), and I come back to find 16fucking2 comments? About a Katherine Heigl movie? And from a gaggle of first-time posters? I must be hallucinating.

Anyway...

Shadows of Dakaron - I kinda want to make out with you after reading your post.

socalled - dibs on February. It's my birth month and this year's kind of a milestone birthday. Oh, and I'm cute as a button.

I am intrigued by the simultaneous absence of Ms. The Odd & Mr. Slim. Hmmmmmmm......can you say MINI Pajiba Convention?

Ever since I watched those couple episodes of Grey's Anatomy last year I've wanted to hit Heigl in the face or drop kick her ass. She is so...I don't know, she's not a great actress either and she lucked out with getting that role in Knocked Up, which was probably perfectly suited for her anyway, because she seems stuck up and full of shit for no reason. Maybe cause she's blonde and looks like a million other actresses in Hollywood. Whatever, 27 Dresses looked heinous anyway...

'Vitriol' is a very popular word in these parts. Maybe it's getting lonely, and needs a companion to keep its feet warm at night. Might I suggest 'sprecht-shit'?

Paragraph one was the greatest thing Ive read in weeks.

Is it late enough that I can admit that I used to love James Marsden in Second Noah?

Does it help that I was fifteen?

I can never show my face on the internet again, I know.

why can no one think of another word besides "vitriol"?? seriously, it is in every other comment. I mean, I know its a smart kid word guys but how about venom, virulence, hostility,contempt or malevolence? anything else!

Vitriol? What do you vitriol mean? We pajibans know many vitriol words...we have extensive vitriol vocabularies.

Btw...for the record, I did use other words in my post. My original post, that is.

No replies?

Huh.

Kolby- February is my birthday month, too. Isn't is a neat, original little month? Anyway, do it proud in the calendar.

SoCalled- Are we talking life insurance? 'Cause if we are, then game, set, match, I'm in. And black rubber catsuit, pshaw, like I don't already wear one of those every day. They're good for deflecting bridesmaid invites.

On bridesmaids: the first time I was chosen as a bridesmaid, I felt immediate elation and gratitude at the "exclusive" selection, but this was followed by a slow and steady dawning of the realities of financial and physical servitude required by such a position. Never again, people, never again.

And in the name of tolerance and making amends: While at the bookstore this evening (wild Friday night for me), I decided to pick up a copy of Atonement. I've read and enjoyed other McEwan novels, but not his biggie. Anyhow, the only paperback version on the shelves displayed the recent movie poster on its cover, which features Keira Knightly, the hellbitch bent on destroying my sanity, on its cover. I walked up to the sales counter and politely inquired as to whether the store carried copies that didn't feature the KK-touting movie poster. The woman replied that no such copies were in stock, and I promptly chose another book.

All this is to say: I gave up a probably satisfying literary experience on account of my blind hatred of Keira Knightley; so I guess I shouldn't have been so critical of Dustin's Heigl-flogging because, had KK been the star of this vehicle, I would have joined right in.

Haha, Heigl-flogging. Doesn't that sound like a Norwegian ice sport?

As a person who used to defend The Heigl before and hates her with a fiery passion now, I can easily explain why she's so deplorable.

At first it was Roswell, and her public dissing of the show that she auditioned to be on, while it was still in production. Now I defended this, because some of the shit that went down was shady and it was really the first time I knew anything about her and sometimes you get stuck in a shitty job and want to bitch, that's fine.

Then came Grey's Anatomy. Yeah, I watched it. It was okay until Isiah went homophobe, all of the sudden she's talking shit and trying to be the center of attention and bitching because she doesn't get paid as much as the main actor and actress and whenever she does something it smacks of self-promotion more than honest to goodness belief in it.

I was fine with all that, it was something I could explain away.

Then she dissed Knocked Up. Knocked Up pretty much made her more than some TV supporting cast star and I've heard nothing but good things about Seth Rogan, but even in a film like that she has something to bitch and moan about. As if she was 'forced' to participate in the film. And that's when I said 'fuck this bitch'.

And the reason is this: Everything she does is solely to get attention. And even when it helps her she finds something to complain about. Whether it be money or alleged misogyny, it's always one thing or another from her, and it gets tiring and annoying and it's like Jessica Alba and her 'woe is me it's so hard being so hot' and it makes me hate anything that brings her publicity.

So yeah Dustin, keep with the Heigl hate because I'm right there with you man.

What the heezy. Goddammit, I can't take any more of this Heigl-hate. You've all taken an actress that I never really liked to begin with (though I found her damn hot), and talked SO MUCH SHIT about her that I'm beginning to hate this site. Yes. THAT MUCH. That's a hell of a lot of shit talk. I'm beginning to feel the need to defend someone I never really gave two shits about in the first place. And yes, I realize I've said the word "shit" about as many times as the words misogyny and vitriol have been uttered. Shit shit shit.

Also, this is becoming an alarming trend. Can we read a Heigl or Lohan (or whatever else "starletard") review WITHOUT having 90% of it be a shrill, distasteful public slandering that makes no attempt to review the movie and stoops to Gawker or TheSuperficial CRAPFEST levels? Seriously? The only thing I hate MORE than dumbass celebrities are DUMBASS people who thrive on dissecting, judging and obsessing over them.

I SERIOUSLY thought (and still hope) that Pajiba was better than that. Come ON! You're all above this - I know it. Step away from "US Weekly" and pick up.. I don't know - what new, hip, non-mainstream thing do you guys like, anyway? PICK THAT UP.

And oh yeah - lastly:

MISOGYNY MISOGYNY MISOGYNY MISOGYNY.

Okay.

I am not a particularly big Katherine Heigl fan, I disagreed with her about Knocked Up, I don't watch Grey's anymore, and there's no way I'm paying to see this movie.

What bothers me isn't that you dislike the Heigl, even if it's totally irrational. She's a celebrity, whatever.

BUT you don't get to call her a hypocrite because doing a romcom is so unfeminist and then call her "skank cancer" and refer to her as "Satan's vagina" in the same review. Because, you see, insulting a woman you disagree with by calling her a whore? That is not witty or edgy or clever. It doesn't make you some kind of maverick.

It is demeaning to women. Not just Katherin Heigl. WOMEN.

Honestly, it is really not that hard to express a negative opinion about a woman without using the word "skank."

Holy hospitalisation due to alcohol poisoning, Batman!

I take a couple of days off to get my life in order and this is the mess I'm greeted with?

I got about seven comments in and decided that a disclaimer was probably needed on the rules page to not attempt the game with this review. Holy Jesus, people. Good catch though PaddyDog, you made a damned fine drinking administrator in my absence (which, yes, was indeed curious) plus you appear to be taking socalled off my hands for me so kudos on that one too.

Y'all realise you have to drink extra for mentioning me before I posted, right?

I'm staying waaaaaaay out of the meat of this discussion except to say the even if V has you on probation boo you're still my she-ro.

For a site that regularly links to the feministing.com site, I find this review pretty deplorable. I can be as bitchy and scathing as the next girl, and I usually LOVE Dustin's reviews, but I started reading this and immediately felt really uncomfortable.

I forget which commenter said it above, but I also wonder why you can't hate Heigl and find a way to express it that doesn't involve calling her a 'skank', 'shrew', talking about her 'whorish, drunken crazy' and whether or not she should or shouldn't own it...I mean...sorry, I